Cool down time for ,,Frozen Sphere"

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  1. [MACEDONIAN]

    [MACEDONIAN] Forum Greenhorn

    And again you try hard an succed to destroy even more PvP only with one move ....give to Mages that shot ,,Frozen Sphere'. I dont understand you people . Always you talk about some ,,balancing" and that is not what we saw. Dont understand me wrong that shot is ok but with no cool down time that is just stupid and not fair at all. Tell me one class who can do something similar. I have 80% armor ..80% block and 20k HP on arena and 2-3 of thos shot and bb. If you want realy to do ,,balancing" make cool down for that skill to even the fild
     
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  2. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    Dk stun breaks need to be sped up and bring back 4 second immunity.
     
  3. EhtovK

    EhtovK Old Hand

    Armor value doesn't affect the damage you take from the frozen sphere, since it's damage type is 100% ice, so you might need a second look on your resistance values. On the other hand, the problem is not the skill itself, it's the ridiculously high overall damage output all classes have in PvP at the moment. Also, you gotta consider all the possible factors regarding the player you were facing against, not all SWs out there can 2-3 hit you with a frozen sphere.
     
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  4. butthead11

    butthead11 Forum Greenhorn

    I agree the move is unbalanced as hell and there's little benefit from not spamming it. A move that does 50% then 200% + slowing that can be shot quickly is the reason why I dont pvp anymore...DK gets a crappy move thats only useful for tanks and it still costs a whopping 60 rage. Whats DKs strongest move again? oh yeah the second one they get in the game..."smash" And it only hits right in front of their nose. -_-
     
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  5. AmerickaNindza

    AmerickaNindza Junior Expert

    i suggest you start working on your skills and learn better tactics on how to avoid those shots. i play with Sw and i was also fustrated in begining from new skills from rangers and mages. in time you learn dodging those hits. and sphere is mostly on cold dmg so your resistance values are playing the role for defence there.
     
  6. SGK|GaminG|HD2000

    SGK|GaminG|HD2000 Active Author

    yes the game is unbalanced totally, but i cant agree with mage.. if you have mage, then play a lvl 50 one in pvp. it's the only option to get points. you can just go on PvP wit fireballs or chain lightning like before unless you are a payer. and cooldown time? man if it has, then no way.. there is no point to add a mage to the group in parallel world or anywhere. compare it with ranger's one. oe shotkill. it's faster, more dmg by adding armor break, and series of dps, afterall, no cooldown time.. if u have concentration then u can spam it. no improvement on "balancing" on ranger's and dwarf.. DK's dont worry about mages, but they do about rangers.. "Rangers are op in PvP and Dwarves are op in PvE!" DK and Mage can just go and cry :p
     
  7. Troneck86

    Troneck86 Forum Great Master

    What the Hell are you talking about.
     
  8. SGK|GaminG|HD2000

    SGK|GaminG|HD2000 Active Author

    -_- If we make cool down time feauture for this skill, there is no point of adding a mage for the group in parallel world Farming.
    you need learn more :p
     
  9. BitMaster

    BitMaster Someday Author

    LOL
    The only way to do that amount of damage (you say) is for the SW to have 2h weapon and high damage talent (or damage gems if its a P2P player). And that leaves low defence, and you do the calculation.
    About the cool down time, you've got to be joking. The skill has a low flight speed and worst of all it has to reach a certain point to explode to do damage (for PVE this is great but PVP not so great).
    If you want to add cool down time than you should increase flight speed and make it explode on contact, but you would complain to that too...

    And btw there are DKs that can kill my SW with one shot (smash or swing) but it is only a part of this game. The more time and money you invest the stronger you get (in your case you need resistance gems)... AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE STRONGER THAN YOU (i mean in the game :p)! I have been in the same place as you, but I don't sweat about these things anymore :) (but I used to :()
     
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  10. SGK|GaminG|HD2000

    SGK|GaminG|HD2000 Active Author

    Exactly and also u need to be 49 to do that dmg :)
     
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  11. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    You clearly don't know what you are talking about :D
    ATM there is only one uber OP class in this game and that is the SW ... all the others were nerfed ... and the ranger's nerfing was the most severe.
    But like it or not ... they will nerf the mages. They are the next on the list. Count on that. :)
     
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  12. Troneck86

    Troneck86 Forum Great Master

    Exactly, it is that post up there that got us in this mess in the first place.
     
  13. Dylannn

    Dylannn Board Analyst

    You know what I think? I think the rangers need a better healing-option. Their current one suckss in PvP, I think a new option would change a lot, don't you think?

    To stay on-topic...

    I think it hits a lot in PvP, yes... but I think it's alright for PvE. I think the mage class is the least skillful, whereas you need much skill to play as a tank.
    In my opinion the entire game is broken... and therefore I don't play it anymore
     
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  14. BitMaster

    BitMaster Someday Author

    I don't know about you but many said that to compensate SWs low defence it is ok for them to have higher damage.
    And now you say that SW is OP because of high damage. If you lower the damage, with low defence, SW characters will become the worst ones (again) and it would be frustrating playing with them.
    I bet that you are saying this because before you could easily kill SWs with no resistance :D

    And about FS skill, if you are DK or Ranger you have plenty skills to avoid this skill.
     
  15. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    1. SWs can easily surpass the HP of SMs and Rangers.
    2. Where did I said SWs are OP because of the damage? They are OP in many aspects ... their high damage is the foundation for the whole class meaning (they have a right to have high damage) ... therefore this criteria is not taken into consideration.
    3. I don't play the arena since R155 ... since the arena is completely broken.

    Conclusion:
    It is not the "Frozen Sphere" skill itself that needs to be reworked ... it is the skill system.
    Now ... the devs made it clear many times that they have no intention of changing the system ... quite contrary they are keen to nerf the classes independently. Since all the classes has been nerfed but SWs ... their nerfing is inevitable. And why? Because the devs have 4-year degree in nerfing and we don't ... and they won't admit that their new system is flawed.
    The old system was working better but they wanted to change it in favor of customization and omitting the balance and fairness.
    a) The balance is clearly broken. Everyone is running in the arena and killing the others in one shot and in the same time one class (SW) has a clear advantage over the others because of the fact that the other classes have no defense for their main skill .
    - The damage can be lowered down by reworking the skills in the knowledge tree ... but there is a big problem. That should be done only for PVP and intact for PVE ... and since they (the devs) said in several occasions that they have no intentions to separate the PVP from PVE ... I don't see a fixing coming out soon (if ever). This was one of the old system's advantages.
    - 4 seconds immunity to stuns must be reinstated in the game ASP. That is SW's main advantage over the other classes. Now ... DK and SM have partial immunity ... which is not enough because they are limited to standing in particular spot ... while Rangers have no immunity at all. It is simple as that ... reinstate the 4 seconds immunity for all classes.​
    b) The fairness is a story by itself. The devs decided to give everything to the new players ... everything that the veterans have been working on for years has been thrown in the river ... just because the devs wanted to attract new players in the game. Attracting new players in the game sounds reasonable ... but not on the expense of the old players. Don't spit in the old well!!!
    Did they achieved what they want? No. Because the core of the old players already left the game and the new players are not coming. And if they come they don't stay for long.
    Giving opportunity to new comers to have everything from start (i.e. skills , mounts, scalable items, buying knowledge ... etc.) was the worst move that the devs could have done. No one is entitled to have everything from the start ... everyone should be working hard to achieve something ... like the vets did long time ago. What is the reason ... money? Well the vets spent fortune in this game (one of the reasons to stay in the game and protect your investment and spend more) ... while you can never be certain that the new comer will stay in the game even if you give them everything.
    And they will say ... oh but we have right to have everything from start ... why should we play for for it over long time?
    If you think so ... then ask the devs to make you a "level selector" from a start ... why should you bother leveling up when you can be at any level (including cap level) from the start.
     
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  16. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    Sadly that is the next evolution. Some of the games that DSO copies are already doing it, so you know it's coming. Soon you will be able to start the game at max level, no farming, no quests, no grind, just pay a fee. For the new players who think pvp is messed up now (and it is), wait until they are facing lvl 50 players day one.
     
  17. BitMaster

    BitMaster Someday Author

    Since I have been playing for about two and a half years I see what you want to say... And I must agree that you have some good points.
     
  18. AmerickaNindza

    AmerickaNindza Junior Expert

    for someone who bearly play pvp you seem really upset about this.
     
  19. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Hi Nindza ... long time no see.
    You see ... unlike the others who are coming to forums just to scream and whine how PVP is messed up ... and then return back into arena ... I am a man of honor and I am always keeping my words and promises.
    I said I will never set a foot inside the arena until PVP is getting fixed ... and I am keeping my word.
    Meanwhile ... together with the rest ... I am giving heads-up to the devs.
    The short answer is ... no I am not upset ... I am so pissed off.
     
  20. ekant1992

    ekant1992 Padavan

    I would love to do that too but i have a wisdom tree to level and every now and then i have to do those stupid arena quest for the wisdom.I am just at lvl 23 wisdom and have a long way to go. :(
     
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