Suggestion Would it be rude to request an English Only server?

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  1. DracosBW

    DracosBW Forum Apprentice

    I realize how it sounds, but...

    I've been trying to play this game for some time now. During this time, I almost exclusively see people typing in what appears to be Spanish or Portuguese? I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to play the game, and I'm not asking for them to be banned or even saying it wrong or anything... nothing so crude.

    I'd just like to be able to talk to someone when playing. :-\

    I sometimes ask questions or want to join in a conversation or request a group in local or region chat. I might as well be a howler monkey screaming in the trees for all the response I get. In the literally three times I've gotten an English response, we've all joked about how the world must be coming to and end because someone is speaking English, and how we should stop right away or we'll be murdered!

    Are there not enough English speaking people to create a server that caters to them? Or do the non-English speaking people just invade the servers willy nilly, making it impossible to enforce, even if it were tried? I honestly just want to be able to speak with other players, like I used to be able to do. I personally loved EDIT chat (which is somewhat famous for being weird and hilarious) in EDIT, and chat in the main cities of games like EDIT could be both fun, informative and added to the overall entertainment of the game. Not being able to communicate smoothly with my fellow players makes me feel isolated and alone when playing.

    I know some people are thinking, 'Just join a guild of English speaking people!' ...that's kinda hard when there don't appear to BE any English speaking people online when I am to invite me. And if I hang around to odd hours trying to find someone who speaks English, that'll be outside of my normal playing times, so it kinda defeats the purpose. Also, the chat panel in the game separates out local and regional comments from Guild comments... so I would just end up seeing what's going on in those channels.

    An idea is something EDIT is using... an in-game translator. It translates anything not posted in your chosen language to something you can read, if sometimes unsteadily. It would be great if this were added here, where the language barrier is so great. Maybe the solution to the whole probem is to get a more advanced chat system in place, so everyone can communicate more clearly.
     
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  2. Wllf

    Wllf Advanced

    The English people are too spread out to do an English-only server. That's why they do it by region, not language, to avoid extra lag. There is no "Invading" of people... It is just their region. And...half the people in America speak Spanish... So get used to it. If you need a guild there are guild threads. FYI... You aren't allowed to say other Games in this forum.
     
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  3. Anyki

    Anyki User

    Wllf is indeed correct.

    My suggestion is that if you are having difficulty finding a guild in-game, you can start a thread under Guild Search. Be sure to include your in-game name and server you are playing on.

    Cheers,
    Anyki
     
  4. Sparklet

    Sparklet Forum Greenhorn

    Hey DracosBW,
    I'm glad that I'm not the only one who sees language issues on this game. But I can always ensure You, there gonna be a huge bunch of the people who are going to defend this problem.
    First, before You step into this game, You have to notice that it has a big selection on languages. Which gives opportunity for non english speaking players enjoy the game. Don't expect from them poor knowledge of english.
    When others are able to talk multiple languages, they has no problem to communicate these who doesn't speak in english. So either way, You learn spanish or portuguese in this case, which is ridiculous... Or You struggle for english that I suppose shouldn't happen in the nowadays game.
    And on the last, players who plays this game for a quite long time, already made friends and won't give a damn about your problems.
    People who says at first to find an english speaking guild, probably never played any other rpg game in their life. I can guarantee you, that You won't be able to find fully english speaking guild on this game. As well as You won't make your way alone to successful game.

    I suggest You to think twice before you start to build your character. Try all the servers, maybe the luck smiles to You. Since the whole game already depends on the luck.
     
  5. DracosBW

    DracosBW Forum Apprentice

    I'm sorry. I just kinda laughed when you said 'Half the people in America speak Spanish, so get used to it.' All throughout my post, I said over and over it's not some kind of non inclusion thing, it's not about who speaks what, it's not me trying to be racist. I'm fully aware that people in the US speak Spanish. It's ME who doesn't speak/read it fluently. I was only asking for a server that had more people who typed in a language that I could read, and if such were feasable or not, nothing more.

    As for the 'invasion' concept... yes, it happens a lot in North American servers in many other games; usually from Brazil. I will guarantee you not even half of the people who play DSO on the US servers are actually located in the US. As unfortunate as it is, there is no 'getting used' to everyone typing in a language I don't read, unless I start specifically taking classes to learn said language. And despite how good of an idea it tends to be to expand your knowledge in the field of language, I'm not really asking if I should start taking Spanish lessons. Just asking if it seems like a good idea to find some way to bridge the language gap so players can communicate easier, or if not, group them better so they're surrounded by people who read/write in the same language as they do... thusly the idea of an English only server.

    I do appreciate you letting me know that you're not allowed to talk about other games though, as silly as that is. It's not like those games are secret. :p

    --MERGED--

    Thanks for replying here. And I understand; its unlikely that the developers or the players involved are gonna change something that doesn't really affect them any. I did try to point out that in at least one other game, there is a very functional translation enabled chat system that works well. Hopefully someone will look into it and maybe consider integrating something similar.

    And surprise! I actually DID find an all english speaking, east coast guild! ...Sadly, they're usually offline when I'm online and vice versa.... but I found one, lol! That still doesn't help me speak to everyone though, or make friends outside of that group. I honestly want to be able to enjoy just hanging around and making casual, fun groups to do stuff; it's part of what makes these games more fun.

    Sadly, from the replies I got other than yours, it looks like the most likely fix for my issue is for me to start looking for someone to teach me to read and write in Spanish. xP According to one person at least, half the US population is Spanish now...
     
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  6. EhtovK

    EhtovK Old Hand

    Let me clarify something for you:

    America is a continent, not the United States, also, both Tegan and Agathon are considered "America servers", they happen to have the flag of the U.S. because that's where they're located physically, as far as I'm aware. If those were aimed to be "U.S. exclusive servers" we wouldn't have payment methods available in our own contries' currencies, don't you think?.

    Anyway, Tegan in particular has a somewhat numerous Filipino community, and they type a lot in Tagalog, there's quite a lot of Spanish, Portuguese and English speakers as well, I've met a Chinese player with almost no english knowledge at all and we managed pretty well on several PW runs. None of this seem to be a -big- issue for anyone so far, I've been in the same group with spanish, english and portuguese speaking people at the same time, and we find our way around the language barrier, it's not like the game requires very specific instructions to be handed to the group.

    My point is, a translator would be quite useful, I agree, but if you join a server that houses people from 2-3 different continents, you gotta expect a bit of a language barrier/time zone issue, then I would suggest you move to another server that fits your needs better.

    Ah!, and you:

    Good, we don't expect poor knowledge of Spanish from you either. :)
     
  7. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Imagine if you were playing at Heredur or especially Grimmag.
    There are at least 100 languages that are being actively used. And no one has a problem with it.

    In Americas Spanish and Portuguese are dominant languages. Even in USA ... English language is used by maybe 1% or less of the population. lol
     
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  8. Wllf

    Wllf Advanced

    Not quite... But in DSO... there is only 1% of USA on any server...so pretty much. :p. :p

    Where? o_O

    No. It isn't.


    Well... you would be correct... If there was a US server.

    Well, yes there is. It's what most of the people on Tegan and Agathon who speak only English have done. (I just taught myself enough Spanish and Portuguese to get by. :p)

    I believe EtovK already covered this issue. Unless you are unfamiliar with geography, you will know that South America, Central America, and North America are all part of the "Americas" title... And so yes, that is true. In California, (I would know this I live in the US.) More than half the people speak Spanish. So glad I could add that tidbit of knowledge to your apparent stockpile. :p
    :)
     
  9. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese. I know just enough to know when I'm being cussed off.

    However, your assertion that there are not English speakers to make a guild is mistaken.
    Those of us who only speak English are usually a snobbish lot. We don't talk as much in the open channels because there are not as many people to talk to. Add in the fact that I spend maybe 1% of my time online in a town because 99% of my time is spent in dungeons where I don't talk to anyone, and you can see why it is so hard to find the kind of people you are looking for. Check out the Guild section of the forums and you may be surprised.

    Personally, I'd prefer that the developers merge Tegan and Agathon into Tegathon or Aegan and then the amount of English speakers would rise dramatically for both and I've got friends/acquaintances (many from this forum) who I'd love to interact with in game.
     
  10. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Actually yes.
    I was having in mind English vs US English :p
    or Agateg :D
     
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  11. Wllf

    Wllf Advanced

    Us Americans like to pretend that we speak English...not American. :p
     
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  12. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    It's OK ... I mean even if I was learning English in school, university ... I was watching MTV shows (when MTV was actually music TV :eek: ) and speaking with US dudes while i was serving the army ... I find spoken US English to me more clear and understandable (for me at least) than English.
     
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  13. DracosBW

    DracosBW Forum Apprentice

    Well, North America is a continent, yes, as is South America. Most people when talking about "America" though are talking about the United States. Otherwise people would also call Brazil "America", or Mexico. Which as far as I know, they do not.

    Now when you speak of "the Americas" (which isn't what I was talking about), then you're correct.

    No, I don't think bigpoint would care what kind of money you paid in, as long as you paid them money. And I would here like to clarify... again... that I'm not asking for ONLY US servers, nor for some kind of weird, exclusion policy that would stop non US players from getting into the game and playing. When I asked about an "english only" server, this was with the idea that there would be servers that catered to the Spanish/Portugese players as well.

    I tried to explain in my first post too that the concept is not how hard the game is to play or not, but the simple social aspect of being able to type to someone and understand the reply WITHOUT translation. It would make communication easier on all fronts. From just hanging around and chatting in town to looking for groups, be it PvE or PvP, to forming groups and doing quests, having people playing with you who you could understand easily would just be better without having to "work around language barriers".

    Being able to play they game with someone you can sorta get to do what you're doing during a mission and being able to say set up a Teamspeak channel and communicate directly to that person in the language you speak best are two very different things, don't you think?

    I DO expect it. Even on the server I was proposing, I expect people who didn't speak english would try to join, if only "just because". Time zones have NOTHING TO DO with language barriers, unless you're talking my being in the US and someone being in France or someplace like that. Most people in the Americas are in the same time zones.

    As for the concept of my moving to another server that fits my needs better...? What do you think I'm asking for? To put it another way, is there some way for me to tell what language people are speaking on any given server? Are there more, secret servers I don't know about in the US than the ones they list? To read some of the responses here, there's no server on this side of the Atlantic that has very many English speaking people at all.

    I appreciate that this is probably not a problem for you, or a lot of other people, primarily because you already speak Spanish or Portugese, or you just don't really care. But I asked this because it's still kinda hard on those of us who want to be able to speak/type to others without having to wrestle with doing so.

    -- MERGED --

    At least 100 languages huh? Where's your proof of this? And less than 1% of people in the US actually speak English? Really? Can you post anything to prove anything you're saying here is real, and not just you trolling my thread? I doubt it.

    Also, saying that so few people actually speak English seems to support the idea that there maybe *should* be one for us "1%" that don't speak Spanish or Portugese, just so we can communicate with the other players around us.... which is exactly what I'm asking about.

    I'm gonna dismiss this post as trolling, honestly. It sounds like you'd just not like to see the English speaking players have a place where they can understand what's being said.

    -- MERGED --

    Here.

    ...and here.

    ...and here.


    Why not? You've said this two times now, as if just saying no (especially since I wasn't asking you, and you don't really have the ability to approve or deny my request) explains everything.


    The fact that you play on my saying "US servers" (the ones marked with the American flag) when you know full well what I meant (unless you're not just *pretending* to be stupid) makes me think you're trying for some odd reason to piss me off. But surprise! ...I don't respond much to forum drama. Let me answer to some of your other comments.

    And again here, you try to play off what I'm saying by saying the same thing slightly differently. You still had to go learn two new languages to an extent that you could understand and communicate using them just to play the game and communicate effectively. That supports rather than denies my idea that something needs to be done about the language barrier.


    Firstly, I said very plainly "US", not "Americas". So no, it's not true that more than half the people in the US are Spanish. Secondly, the more I read this, the more I get the feeling you yourself ARE Spanish, which is why you live in California and feel like more than half the people there speak Spanish; you don't really go to those parts of the state that don't, nor do you have any data or research on the matter to go by... you just talk about what you see, living in those parts of the state that have a lot of Spanish people in them.


    Look. I'm alright if nothing gets done here about this issue, though it might be fairly easy to correct in one way or another. If it's truly the case that an English only server is impossible, then so be it. But the fact that so many people are coming here just to say "no it's a bad idea" and "it'll never happen", seems to suggest it's not a bad idea at all. If it's not going to affect any of the players who have "learned to deal with it" on the other servers, why not offer the choice? Because the people who *can* speak those other languages say so? That seems like an odd reason.

    -- MERGED --

    Also just for those saying there's no US servers and that the servers are dedicated to 'the Americas'...

    I went back and looked; Agathon and Tegan are labeled "USA East" and "USA West".

    So that should settle that.
     
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  14. Anyki

    Anyki User

    @DracosBW,

    Kindly learn to use the "Edit" button at the bottom of your post instead of making 4 consecutive posts. Consider yourself warned, and additional consecutive posts will be deleted in the future.

    Requesting a set of language-specific servers may initially seem like a good idea, but it's not feasible. First of all there are hundreds of languages spoken around the world. Even if you select only a dozen or so to label the servers with, there are still going to be many players whose languages are excluded. They will end up playing on some random server and forming their own language-specific groups, which is what is happening right now anyways.

    If we take English as an example, it will have players scattered across the globe. How is BP supposed to locate its servers so that players can play without serious ping issues? By grouping players by regions, this minimises the ping issue so players aren't permanently playing in lag.

    This brings me to my final point. While Agathon and Tegan have been labeled as USA East and USA West respectively, it actually serves a much larger geographic region. There are many players from the United States (of course), but the rest of North America, South America, Asia and Oceania. There are even a few players from Europe. :D If you count up how many languages there are in these areas, and give each one their own language server, the community would be even more fragmented than it is now, as there would only be a handful of players for each server. Not to mention this is costly and unfeasible to implement.

    While the veterans of this forum could have answered you kinder, I suggest you overlook the ribbing and actually see the valid points they raise next time.

    Question answered. Closing thread.

    Cheers,
    Anyki
     
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