New Blackborg Set (Ranger vs. Mage)

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  1. noor1991

    noor1991 Someday Author

    I think it is tottaly not fair. Rangers get stacks for hunting arrow, precise shot, and bird of brey, while mages get stacks for magic missle, frost sphere, and frost nova. Considering this, shouldn't we rangers get stacks for hunting arrow, explosive arrow, and net? we bassically have a very low chance of reaching 25 stacks compared to mages...
     
  2. Troneck86

    Troneck86 Forum Great Master

    You are doing it wrong.
     
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  3. thuglifederp

    thuglifederp Active Author

    You get the stacks by criting.
    hunting arrow is a spamble skill and so you will build the stacks unless you dont crit before the stacks expire.
    You dont have to wrry about the bird to build stacks tou can just build the stacks by using hunting arrows only
     
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  4. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    So RAs get stacks for one spamable skill, one high resource skill, and one long cool down skill. SWs get one spamable skill, one high resource skill, and one long cool down skill. Seems fair to me, especially since hunting arrow can hit two monsters at a time as opposed to magic missile only hitting one at a time. Like the other guys said, if you can't max it and keep it at max, you are doing it wrong.
     
  5. noor1991

    noor1991 Someday Author

    _Baragain_, that hunting arrow skill requires 2 points, it is not free, also we rangers don't use precise shot unless the monster is not stunable (boss monsters, which we rangers are not invited to kill because we are too weak for boss fights, again compared to other classes), and we also use hunting arrow ONLY for marking, and either explosive arrow or deadly blow as a main attack, and let's not speak abut bird of prey, nobody is using that anymore for pve, and even if we did, it only hits 1 monster, unlike frost nova, so basically our only stacking skill will be hunting arrow, which we use once every 5 seconds for marking. Also you say we get and advantage of hunting arrow hitting 2 monsters? well for precise shot, it requires marking, hunting arrow can mark 2 monsters with that skill, so the other only option for mass marking is net with the 3 points skill, while mages don't need that, they can just spam frost sphere which goes though monsters.


    --MERGED--


    So mainly I'm not complaining about how our skill consume more concentration or have longer coll-down time, I'm saying that we will be forced to use skills that we normally don't use in order to get the stacking bonus.

    I just want to rephrase your statement so you understand me better:

    "So RAs get stacks for one spamable skill that is weak and only used for marking every few seconds, one high resource skill that nobody use since we got a better skill (EA), and one long cool down skill that is basically useless and nobody use, also stuns only 1 monster. SWs get one spamable skill that regenerates mana, so they have a reason to use it all time, one high resource skill that it so powerful and became their main skill, and one long cool down skill that stuns multiple monsters at the same time", doesn't seem fair to me.
     
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  6. Troneck86

    Troneck86 Forum Great Master

    It's seems I'll need to make a video to show you how to use the set correctly.
     
  7. thuglifederp

    thuglifederp Active Author

    I dont even know how you guys got the whole tier 3 set lol
     
  8. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    1. Rangers not using PS? Are you serious man?
    2. Hunting arrows used for marking only? Man any decent ranger should invite you in his group so you can see how monsters in PW are falling down before reaching the player ... just by using Hunting Arrow.
    3. Hunting arrow with this set's buff can be even more deadly.
    4. I don't recommend using the net for marking. The net can always miss and you have no second chance after. Hunting traps are dealing good damage and marking at same time.
     
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  9. Troneck86

    Troneck86 Forum Great Master

    Here's a small sample of what I do:
     
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  10. noor1991

    noor1991 Someday Author

    So when you normally farm you don't use explosive arrow? or you didnt use it this time only for your sarcasmic purpose? actually if you don't use it, you are not of that good support for your team.
     
  11. Troneck86

    Troneck86 Forum Great Master

    No, I don't use it much anymore since I got the set. I don't group much anymore outside of 3 people, either. Either way, if you are that set on using EA, fire one then spam Precision Shots when they are marked if you are so adamant about using it. Getting to 25 stacks is very easily achieved.
     
  12. Beldak

    Beldak Regular

    I rarely use EA, my main attacks are hunting arrow and precision shot. Collect them together, mark them all with your favourite marking tool (i use the net, i just love it :D), destroy mobs with precision shot. This is how i play it, but everyone has their own way.
     
  13. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Only a Noob (with a capital "N") doesn't have the skill selected to remove the cost for this skill because without it, they have no spamable skill for long distance. The only exception is the rare melee RAs who don't use HA as often, but even they would recognize that if you are going to use this set, you'd need to use it with HA.


    And I won't even waste the time to address the rest of your issues since much more knowledgeable RAs have already done so. My only comment on that topic is that EA is not a spamable skill. It is designed to be used with other skills
     
  14. noor1991

    noor1991 Someday Author

    _Baragain_, you were speaking about "hunting arrow penetrates the first target it hits" skill:

    Which I replied to by saying:
    But then you referred my answer to another skill:

    :confused:o_O? Anyway, I'm using both skills for hunting arrow, the cost removal skill is one of the best we got.

    Beldak, yes for sure everyone play with playing style they like and see is better. I just want to say that breaking monster's armor is good as well, I mean, we got a no coll-down time armor breaker skill, and you can use it as long as you have concentration for it (I, know, a lot of concentration), being able to break monster's armor every few seconds is very useful, and it is also the equivalent skill of ice sphere, as fire ball is the equivalent of precise shot, that also another point why we should have got this skill instead.

    I don't have the full set yet, 321 white coins and 45 black coins, but how I got it? well, R.I.P. my 180 amphora keys :(:D
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2016
  15. bloodyneo

    bloodyneo Forum Master

    why you want the stacks from noobish skill?.....shoot from far?...gets your kills from far?..it should stay the same as is
     
  16. thuglifederp

    thuglifederp Active Author

    I find EA usefull only on mini bosses and pvp
    Net, traps, thorn skill (frogot its name lol) And after PS does miracles in every PW so far for me and this can be done alot easier for those who can use BD without taking too much dmg

    Edit: @noor1991 180keys? Is that set even worh that much anders? Was able to make 40 coins in 5-6 runs and bought the cloack since i needed it and got an 0,7% crit rate from it. I was pretty dissapointed after that no doubt the set tier 3 is good for pve but for pvp it sucks big time atleast thats what i think
     
  17. noor1991

    noor1991 Someday Author

    I got those from 2 dark dwarf heist events
     
  18. thuglifederp

    thuglifederp Active Author

    Oh my bad then i thought you bought them with anders
     
  19. Beldak

    Beldak Regular

    It's not a matter of better, it's a matter of if it's working for you. My ranger is not OP, it's pretty much an average one (it's in the ranger showcase thread), but the skills i use are good for me and i was able to solo Q1-Q4 (working now on Q4), if the skills you chose to play with are good for you, and you are able to play and it's fun for you, you chose the right skills ;) There are always things to improve, that's why i always read posts from people about it, check it in game and see if it works for me, if yes, excellent i'll use it, if not, i'll go back to the skills i chose.

    You can't really compare the skills, they do different stuff and effects differently.
     
  20. ULTRAPEINLICH

    ULTRAPEINLICH Forum Duke

    How to stack properly:
    -Skill blade dance (all talents of course, it's a must)
    -Skill talent 3 and 5 of thorn thicket
    -Skill ps 5

    --> gather a group of mobs, stun them with net, thorn thicket through them, then blade dance through them.
    Result: All mobs are marked, thicket and net up (or almost up) again, you can shoot a PS through all marked mobs -> You instantly have a big set stack and the group is dead.
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2016
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