need dwarfs or war

Hello all. 1º excuse me by my english

Ok i have a simple question:

why magues and rangers are excludeds of groups and events and the developers no fix this¿? i mean the balance of classes or their skills

in all servers many players can´t make events or farm in groups if are magues or rangers

this is not a big problem of game¿? why i need spend money in my mague or ranger if they are excludeds¿?

only needs read local chat for see im not overreacting about this but i think developers ..they live in another dimension because is easy enter and read the local chat for see this problem and start to work for fix it

this is the principal problem of game now and nobody makes nothing

 

My main used to be a DK, and for a while now it's been a dwarf. I never bother to check the character class of who invites me - or who I invite - to group up with. Except if it's for a L3 boss run - my midget is high dmg, low def, so I can't tank. I am far more interested in whether another player knows how to play their character properly as part of a group vs what their character class is - or even what their dmg is. Some noob who runs around pulling in big mobs on L3 and getting peeps killed is a pain in the bum regardless as to what character class they play. When I was mostly playing DK, the ones who peeved me the most was RAs who ran in front and released wolves, blocking the DK from the mob/boss. Then, as soon as their mutts went {poof}, they'd hide in the background and leave you to deal with their mess.

Long story cut short... inconsiderate/idiotic noobish behaviour in a group is a far bigger concern than what character class is being played. Learn to play well, and you'll have no problems finding groups - or creating your own.

 

This seems to be the hot topic lately... but there are many players asking "need dwarf or mage" too.

But more seriously... never anyone asks specifically for rangers. The smart players, that little minority, it seems, ask for damage dealers, no matter what class that dmg is coming from. Or a tank if they don't have one, of course.

I know you can avoid this situation by playing with your guild/friends, but it's a MMO afterall. Where's the MMO atmosphere when some classes are not desired in groups.

Just like the post above me says, there are aspects that matter more than the class being played. I wish more people thought this way too. The thing is... very few people will give you a chance to prove that you're good. You can have the best play style in the world, but if you're not a dwarf (and really, here it doesn't matter what you have, just be a damn midget and you'll get groups before you finish typing which Q you want), or perhaps a mage, you WILL have problems finding groups outside of your circle of friends. That's a guarantee.

My only suggestions for now are:

1 - Farm what you can on your own and at your own pace... craft your items, and check for groups in between runs. Don't sit in the city the whole day waiting for an invite. That might not happen at all in some days.

2 - Make your own group for what you want, and take whoever you want with you. Be that person who gives the example and doesn't just follow the crowd excluding some classes. Also keep in mind that those people who only select people by their class are probably not the ones you want in your group. Some will rage quit simply for the fact that you don't have a dwarf, for example, or because you have "too many rangers", for instance. Let them leave, or kick them yourself. You don't need them, and you certainly don't need to make them happy by doing what they want. Even if someone on the team is weaker than you, as long as they're giving their best effort, they're a good contribution to the team. If they're playing bad, give them tips to improve. If they're willing to learn then they're certainly a better contribution than all the players saying "INV ME. NO NOOBS!!" And thanks for your help, next time you play with them they might already be stronger.

All in all... it's more complicated that an issue of balance of classes. It's the mentality of the players, and that can't be changed with an hotfix. I wish it could, though.

Good luck with your adventures.

 

Because the vast majority of players are noobs.

 

My dwarf friend who used to be much weaker than me tells me he does 90% lvl 3 runs because he gets invites most of the time as soon as he logs in (he's now only slightly weaker with all the gear he got from those runs). He actually was baffled why I would ever solo dungeons lol. Meanwhile I very rarely get invites and get rejected to parties all the time. I'm happy for him, it's just very frustrating to never get parties, especially during events.

 

The problem does exits, but is not that simple - yes, classes are not equally wanted in a group, and this gets felt especially in events and Parallel Worlds. Mages have it somewhat easier than Rangers, true. Then, the reason behind DKs being wanted is obvious, for tanking. Now the dwarves' popularity is mostly there due to them being the highest damage output option, theoretically. But sometimes, one is needed for an ability a group requires (see Q3, where you need a dwarf's Tesla, so the tank does not get stunned, causing the others to die as the boss goes berserk), so being wanted because you can play an important role is not a problem (but in this case, SWs and RAs don't yet have one special crucial ability, so their job remains to inflict as much damage, slows and stuns as possible).

The real issue rises once people get elitist and condescending... and so you see those "only-dwarf" teams - though there is logic even behind that, which is fast-farming - again, this is due to their theoretical ability of being the more effective damage-dealers. Most certainly, what was pointed out by -SirMadMan- and Gevilson is very nice and that'd be indeed the right and ethical way of thinking. Sadly, it's not what happens most of the time. Very few are those who are willing to wait, explain and give advice, especially when it's something of the event sort, i.e. lasting a set amount of time (similarly, not everyone is willing to accept and listen to advice, or admit they'd made a mistake, etc.). 90% of people will immediately leave a group that moves slow, or slower than they're used to, or - in the worst cases - slower than that very-fast-OP group they got once or twice before. On the one hand, I kind of understand this... I'd surely love to farm anything like a hot knife through butter all the time too, but that's unrealistic and selfish. For one, I try my best to pull my weight in a group, and I like knowing I do make a difference. I'm not OP, least not yet if I'll ever be, but I could say I'm past decent. But, again, not everyone thinks the same. Thus, the bigger problem than classes is the people.

Some solutions I see in this particular case could be: find and play with a nice guild that will help you improve; likewise for friends - be friendly and make connections that will be beneficial in the future (do not mistake this for seeing an OP person/group once and then pestering them continually, begging for help) and finally, make a plan, take suggestions, farm (even if alone, at times) and work your way up - then, in the mentioned scenarios of events and/or PWs, you will have an easier time. Don't expect things to change dramatically over-night, though. Improving and optimizing take time. A lot of time. Also, it is crucial to resist the urge to always attempt the hardest and go for the best rewards if you know you're not up to it or are unsure. Once more, for example, sure I'd like to be able to farm a boss for a certain set like crazy with a group able to do it in ten seconds, but as the other example above, this too is unrealistic and selfish. It's hard, I know... but nothing endurable is easy in life, is it? And in desperate cases like, say, the Dragan event, make a group and then ask for tank + dwarves yourself... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em :/. You gotta do what you gotta do if you're bent on continuing one thing.

In the end, we have to admit that there are "noobs" in every class; being a dwarf doesn't automatically mean an OP one, same for mages, or same as being a Ranger doesn't mean there aren't mages or dwarfs that are weaker, nor is every tank a good one for everything. That being said, nobody can be sure that the dwarf they just got is good, or if the Ranger/mage asking to join would be better, or if the tank that just came in is right for the job - that's the world of randoms, and also why friends/guilds are important in games. People also lie (yeah, yeah, Cap. Obvious here), so that doesn't help either.

So, to conclude, there is imbalance - that's undeniable, but I fear that the larger monster in this fairy-tale is the human spirit; not all will be equally kind, but also not all will be equally rude... how much of each category one experiences is another thing. All we can do is keep up the good work, patience and rational thinking and try to be the exception and put others first sometimes.

 

It's true there is imbalance in pve , everybody knows it , it sucks , i am tank ,and i wish there was more ballance bettween dps classes, specially beettween ranger and dwarf, i am speaking in general , because of course there are some awesome rangers out there .But it's not easy to balance this without affecting ballance in pvp. I think rangers are doing good in pvp but again pvp depends on the skill of the player and not only gear and stones.
I admit i dont like to go with groups of 2 or more rangers , 2 is ok sometimes if they are strong , but if u have weak rangers in group , the whole group is doomed, so i take in consideration their rank , when u see weak ranks like hero , legionaire ,legend ofcourse i decline invitations, but that goes for all classes, when u are weaker u should farm easyer stuff like mod1 or mod2 and try to improve yourself , i did it , i wasnt able to tank bosses in fatal from the start .
Final point is that only people that have the right to complain are the old rangers that played alot and invested time or cash into their character .For those new rangers that have crap gear and no stones into their gear i suggest they make dwarf and be over with it, or wait for big point to balance classes, i bet thats gonna go great ))

 

You don't need skill to play PvP in this game, you just need to spam your powers (or healing) and good gear/stones and that's it. I already said that PvP in this game is a not funny joke.

 

its your opinion , its mostly wrong but its yours , yes on 5v5 and 6v6 some players spam their skills , and they get some kills and die alot also , but not all players do it , only noobs . And in 1v1 and 3v3 u can win if u have skill , not always but you are gonna win most of the time if u know how to avoid getting hit and knowing how to hit others

 

It's not only my opinion, it's my experience with PvP in this game with all classes (all kind of toon levels) VS other games with PvP i played over the years. I was a hardcore PvPer in the past.
98% of the population of the PvPers in this game spam their powers from a distance hoping to hit something, from high ranked PvPers to new people that saw what's up and started play the same because they think this is how you play PvP in this game (and it's in all matches type in PvP). This is not skill. Healing when you want to heal, is not skill, using EA and fireball from the other side of the map is not skill, putting turrets on the ground is not skill. If you have good gear+good gems, you got all you need to win matches without any real problem.
As i said before, in a very long time i hadn't played a match i can say "wow that was fun" so i just stopped and doing PvP for the dailies only (sadly. I like PvP T_T).
Now, this is not just a player problem, it's a dev. problem, they just don't know how to (or don't want to) separate the PvE element from the PvP element.

 

Fireball, at least, has much less damage and you have to hit the target directly. With EA, you can spam and hit an area where the target is and deal enormous damage. Yeah, thats not a skill. And it is you, who is firering the fireball, not some turrets that work on their own while you are running.

 

Now y'all are drifting into a whole other discussion xD.

 

Let's not start another class war (and with fireball you can hit near someone and you can burn them, if you have good dmg, you can kill someone from the ticks (from experience))

 

Shooting EA from the right distance so that it disappears at the right time (giving the enemy this false sense of security for 1 sec) and then explodes in everyone's face, like when they're trying to build the bomb gears in 6v6, is super fun, though. But as a ranger, I hate the skill too. Just like a hate DKs spamming charge without cooldown, or how I hate getting frozen again right after jumping away from a stun, or dwarves hiding in corners while their turrets shoot everyone who tries to make it past them to take their owner down, while not even the dwarf has a line of sight on the player... What was the topic again? Oh yeah, everything in PvP is broken. This coming from a Nemesis who used to love it before R-155.

 

'Near' doesnt work, it should be direct hit. But okay, my point just was even though EA is OP, dwarfs should be nerfed ))

I have a picture from chat somewhere from dragan event. The guy wrote '4 dwarfs looking for tank for dragan fatal'. I hope Thats not the game they wanted to create. And it is absolutely not the game I want.

But as I said somewhere, they are monetizing on dwarfs, and want you rangers start playing it and investing. And they will do the same with upcoming class.

 

It has to be very, very close - as the mark left on the ground is the one that triggers the burn, as the skill description says.
So it's rather direct hit than near hit xD. Anyway, damn... now I'm on the bandwagon too. OK, let's stop .

 

Sadly it's getting to the point where even mode 1 players are being picky when choosing classes for groups... :\ No improvement to the situation in the horizon.

P.S. Just got kicked right after joining a group for Sigris and the leader started spamming the chat again "need dwarf".

 

Because now dwarfs are by far the best class for PvE and everyone is looking for at least 1 or 2 in their party.If the party is full and a dwarf decides to join, a ranger/mage will be kicked to make room for the dwarf.Its common nowadays, its been like that for a while and the Dev team doesn't care at all.Its the truth.If they were interested in doing something about this big issue, they would've had already instead of letting this happen for like a year now.

Just wait for some new more releases to come.They will give us new pets, mounts, and other crap like that instead of actually trying to fix this issue or the PvP balance, drops and other important stuff.

 

In random teams where mostly none of them cares about the others, yeah xD.
Less in a nice friends/guild group, unless one offers his place to another person or switches characters.
That's why I believe it is paramount to make connections, find trusty, good people who'll make your game-time better, not worse.

 

I don't really hunt groups to be honest... If people want to join my group they are free to join. I usually have my routine of Q3 map 1, full Q1 or since today I started Q5 (since I plan to go to Q8 and go for the Sigri set since it seems to complement my future build really well... remains to be seen).
During events I prefer to solo it out or play with my friend as two in group simply because it goes much faster... I'm a Spellweaver, he is a Dragonknight... we manage. We finished the last Full Moon event in three hours, as for the New Moon I intend to spend my hard earned ander on amphorae keys to push towards obtaining the Boots.
One thing I refuse to do is block twinks... if I see a level 27 wanting to join our group I'm going to reject him/her. Why? Because they won't gain experience and will not be able to grow properly, and farming glyphs is not the way to grow... I'm sorry, that's just not the grind I am into.

One thing to note is that I am not an end player. I had to adapt my style to be able to play solo - because at the end of the day, I don't like depending on other people. Sure, with a strong group you grow faster, sure if you stick to powerful players they will push you up the ladder. But let's be honest: how many people do that? I enter a group, they play a round with me, then kick me out for having a one-hand build. And that's garbage! Why? Because I play the game the way I like it. I like the speed of one hand, I have maximum critical hit chance, decent critical damage, and self-sufficient life, armor and resistances. I don't like being a glass cannon who can't do anything without a tank. Doesn't mean I am not curious into trying a two hand build... and I am working in that direction. I am interested in diversifying my playstyle and being more versatile.
But that takes time... and it's the eternal egg-or-chicken dilemma "In order to be taken in by powerful groups you need to be powerful, in order to grow powerful you need powerful groups".

So what I'm trying to say here is don't despair. If people join you and want to play with you that's fine, you can also try joining other groups, and if they kick you out, that's their problem! I completely ignore the chat and people's ridiculous requests. I don't need anyone's negativity to spoil the fun of the game.